Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

Working with wild African animals was my teenage dream. I studied biology, ecology and animal behavior in college but eventually switched lanes to enter the more financially viable but decidedly less fun field of healthcare. I was finally going to live out my wildlife fantasies by volunteering at a wildlife sanctuary in Africa. There are multiple places to do this and frankly, most are unethical AF.  I don’t want to “walk with lions,” (which perpetuates the unethical breeding and canned lion hunt industry) selfie myself with cuddly cheetah babies or do anything that isn’t truly necessary for animal rehabilitation or conservation. I spent months doing research on various sanctuaries and found myself volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary.

volunteering at Naankuse wildlife sanctuary

What is N/a’an ku sê?

N/a’an ku sê means “God will protect us” in the San Bushman language. It is pronounced “non – koo – say” by the way.  The owners of this sanctuary are Dr. Rudie and Marlice van Vuuren.  Marlice was raised on an animal sanctuary alongside the tribal San Bushman people. She fluently speaks the Bushmen language. Rudie and Marlice started Na’ankuse with the mission to not to only care for injured or orphaned animals but to study and mitigate the factors leading these situations. AKA “Human-Wildlife Conflict”. Sanctuaries can’t accommodate an infinite number of animals and the goal is to reduce the need for sanctuaries at all.

volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

The Mission

They aim to conserve the land, cultures and wildlife of Namibia through encouraging participation, education and scientific research. N/a’an ku sê is many things but primarily it is an animal sanctuary within a private game reserve. There are many animals such as giraffe, zebra, red hartebeest, eland, springbok, jackals, warthog, cheetah and leopard to name a few that live here.

The “Farm” as it is known,’ is the heart of the sanctuary where volunteers live and work. Many animals roam freely here and some are amusingly naughty like the sheep and goats.

Have you ever seen a goat sunbathing by the pool?

Helping Humans Also

There is a school for the San Bushmen children and a Lifeline medical clinic. Volunteers can choose to do wildlife, medical or school volunteering and if they have enough time, a combination of all of them.

The Jolie-Pitt Foundation

As a long time Angelina fan, I found this really cool.  Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie chose N/a’an ku sê to become a partner of the Shiloh Jolie-Pitt Foundation in 2011, to honor their Namibian-born daughter Shiloh. In 2017 the Shiloh Wildlife Sanctuary was opened to rehabilitate elephants and rhinos injured or orphaned by poaching.

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The Lodge

The Naankuse Lodge  is for non-volunteer guests who want to participate in some activities while staying in a lux eco-lodge lodge. All profits are directed back into supporting charitable projects.  To help support the sanctuary, all leftover food is recycled into animal food.  As if that’s not cool enough, the lodge offers job opportunities and education to the San Bushman who are a marginalized community in Namibia.

volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary
Enjoying a luxurious Sunday at the Lodge

Read More:  Ultimate Namibia Tour

The Volunteer Experience

Clearly, I’m crazy for animals. This was my dream…ethically interacting with wildlife.  I loved this experience although everything wasn’t always perfect as I’ll explain in the next section. First, I will explain briefly what it was like.

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Horseback riding into the game reserve

The first activity for all volunteers is orientation with Corné.  He is a character (pictured below in a group shot with the ladies). Charming and passionate, he is the perfect person to lead the volunteers. We had a tour and watched a slideshow about N/a’an ku sê learning about the things we would be doing as well as a somewhat terrifying lecture about the various snake and spider species we could encounter and how to identify the poisonous ones (there were so many and there was no way I would remember!).

We were given basic wildlife safety guidelines such as knowing that wild animals will usually run away and that we are likely to encounter animals that have been rehabilitated, released and coming back for a visit. These animals are used to humans and typically will not run away and in fact, as in the case of one particular porcupine…will run towards you seeking out a belly rub.

Group Assignments

We were assigned to small groups of 4 people and each Sunday, the groups were assigned to a weekly rotation of activities. The coordinators attempt to keep things fair by rotating everyone through the fun and “not as fun” activities equally. Unfortunately, it is not a perfect system since people come and go each week so groups change and activity schedules change. I found myself missing a couple activities in my 2 weeks but the coordinators were able to help.  It is better to spend a longer amount of time here if you can.

One of “Porcupino”s nightly visits

Wolfy, a semi-tame jackal often came to visit, shamelessly looking for food.

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Wolfy was adorable but annoying (and ferocious) when he pestered us during food prep. He swiped a hunk of chicken from me here. I wasn’t about to try to get it back!

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

A Day in the Life at N/a’an ku sê

  • Breakfast 7 to 8
  • Morning meeting at 8
  • Morning activity 830 to 12
  • Lunch 12-2
  • Afternoon Activity 2-5
  • Dinner 5-7
  • Bar open until 8 ish.  Hanging out, games, etc. then bed.

Pictured below are some of the animals we feed and interact with. Most have been rescued from the illegal pet trade. Clockwise: The Fantastic Four (Meerkats), Beetlejuice the Polecat, Genet and Zola, the baby Duiker

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

I never knew warthogs could be so affectionate and adorable. This is Specky, who pulled at my heartstrings when he squeaked and begged for attention when you walked by.

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

We found a surprise one day…meerkat babies. As if the parents weren’t adorable enough.

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

A Sample Week Schedule

  • Monday  AM  Project Work  PM Project Work
    • (Project work is everyone’s least favorite activity…physical labor building things or cutting down blackthorn trees)
  • Tuesday:  AM  Baboon Walk   PM  Nature Appreciation  (this is an incredibly fun day)
  • Wednesday:   AM  Enclosure Cleaning   PM  Carnivore Feed
    • Enclosure cleaning was “poop patrol” but was cool because you got to interact with some animals and do the morning feedings. Carnivore Feed was going out in the truck to toss huge chunks of meat to the lions, leopards and wild dogs.
  • Thursday:  Food Prep  (AM and PM)  Food prep was actually interesting and fun and a whole day affair which involved actually feeding many of the animals

volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary
These animals eat better than I do!
  • Friday:  Research   (this was usually a whole day).  Participating in and learning about the various research projects was fascinating. One project was fetching camera traps and going through the photos to see what animals passed. Another was monitoring some trees that lion scat was placed in to see if it deterred cheetahs. If that was the case, this method could be used to keep cheetahs away from farms.
  • Saturday:  Everybody helped feed the animals and then there was a fun activity. Group games and activities were played. Once we were driven into the reserve without a map and had to find our way back to the farm and do a scavenger hunt along the way!  My team always won because I was extremely motivated by the prize of a free drink from the bar.   In the evening there was karaoke which was simultaneously horrifying and hilarious.
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Enjoying the bar with Leo the best bartender ever
  • Sunday:  AM  activity  PM Free Day.  There was the option to have a fancy lunch at the lodge or take a day trip into Windhoek for a town tour.

The following week would be similar with enclosure cleaning, game counts, baboon walks, but I added cheetah walk and horseriding.

African Wild Dogs

I knew nothing about these animals before my visit and now are my favorite animal. They are critically endangered in Namibia and endangered elsewhere in Africa. Feeding these guys was a highlight for me. They are beautiful and ferocious, led by an alpha female who is the only one that can breed. Hence their low numbers in the wild.

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

FYI if you want to help the Wild Dogs while drinking wine (win win!!!) check out Painted Wolf Wines, produced in South Africa and sold all over the world.

Baboon Walks

Farmers often shoot baboons and then take babies to the sanctuary. They are bottle fed by humans until old enough to be integrated into the troupe.  The older females love having the babies and it is good for the troupe. Sadly, they can never be released because the government considers them pests and these baboons are now habituated to humans. They have a good life here with morning and afternoon “walks” where they play, climb trees and swim while jumping on us, grooming us and way too often, peeing on us. You get used to it I swear. I designated a shirt as my “baboon” shirt.  This shirt didn’t go home with me.

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Just waiting for that trickle of warm baboon pee…
Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary
So sweet and so ornery

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

Another facet of baboon care is caring for the babies. There may not be a baby there or there may be several. When I was there, a 6-week old baby female had to be bottle fed every 2 hours and babysat continuously. This was a heavily sought-after “job” and I was fortunate to have 2 “shifts” with the baby, named Natasha. I ADORED her, as did everyone.

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

This is the closest I will ever come to wanting a baby.

Cheetah Walks

This is understandably a popular activity.  The cheetahs are in a similar predicament to the baboons. Because of a large number of private farms in Namibia, the human-wildlife conflict often leads to cheetah shootings. Farmers aren’t always heartless bastards and often take babies to the sanctuary. Government red tape regarding permits leads to months of paperwork that prevents the cheetahs from being released quickly. Cheetahs are unique amongst big cats in that they become habituated to humans in only 3 months. Once that happens, they cannot be released because the chances of deadly human-wildlife conflict is now increased. A wild animal that has no fear of humans PLUS now associates humans with food is not a good thing for either humans or the cheetah.  Therefore, the sanctuary must provide the best life possible.

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary
Walking past these guys on the way to my tent every day is something I will never get enough of.

Namibian law requires one hectare (2.5 acres) of land per large carnivore and no touching of large carnivores by volunteers. The owners don’t want volunteers coming here for the wrong reasons and we were not permitted to take photographs of ourselves with the cheetahs.  Their position is that images of humans together with wild animals encourage what they are fighting: exotic pet trade, exploitation of wild animals and the assumption that a research-based sanctuary facility is the same as a petting zoo. Although I was sad not to have one of these photos, I respect this philosophy.

Every afternoon two cheetahs were taken out walking with a small group of volunteers and a Bushman guide. No leashes.  Being close to these gorgeous but potentially deadly animals was such a privilege. In my case, it was more of a run than a walk as we found ourselves actually chasing them. Something I never thought I would do…run after the fastest land animal.

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary
we are literally sitting a few feet away from these beauties

Nature Appreciation and Game Counts

These were some of my favorite activities because it was both fun and educational. It was like going on a mini safari game drive through the game reserve part of the sanctuary. The coordinators would teach us about the local flora and fauna and during a game count, we systematically counted the various animals we saw during our drive in one sector of the reserve. This was done so that the predator/grazer ratios could be monitored by the research team.  We had a particularly lucky day and not only saw giraffes but got really close to them.

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

There were many animals not pictured including mongoose, tortoises (all sizes), sheep, caracals, dassies, and vervet monkeys which are adorable little assholes. There are random projects you may get pulled into like anesthetizing and moving a problematic oryx.  I have much of this documented in my Instagram stories which you can watch here:  Namibia Instagram Story

Research

Naankuse has multiple research projects at the sanctuary and they have partnered with other facilities throughout Namibia in very innovative ways. Volunteers and non-volunteers can also visit these places.

Neuras

The Neuras Wine and Wildlife estate is dedicated to the conservation and reintegration of wildlife within their 14,400-hectare (35,000 acres) estate. Guests can experience wine-making in the desert.  I for one MUST visit this place sometime, being the wino that I am. I tasted this wine and it is delicious!

Kanaan Desert Retreat

This wildlife reserve is two hours south of Neuras and bordering the Namib Naukluft Park. Fences have been removed and the land fully rehabilitated to provide a refuge for many species such as cheetah and hyena.  N/a’an ku sê runs a Spotted Hyena Research Project and a Rapid Respond Unit, helping to reduce lethal carnivore removals by working directly with landowners across Namibia.

Mangetti

In 2010 14 African painted dog pups were excavated from their den at a very young age at the Kavango Cattle Ranch (KCR). N/a’an ku sê has since raised these wild dogs with limited human contact at the sanctuary. These pups were successfully released onto the Zannier Reserve in June 2018.  Pictures of these gorgeous animals are below. Also at Mangetti, is a project monitoring elephants in northeastern Namibia.

Zannier

In 2016 Zannier Hotels partnered with the N/a’an ku sê Foundation to create a large nature reserve of 9,000 hectares (22,000 acres).  The relocation and reintroduction of species such as rhinos, elephants and caracals a few examples of successes here.

As you can see, the basic sanctuary volunteer experience is only one aspect of a large network. If you have the time, I would recommend visiting or volunteering at the various research sites. Some volunteers spend 2 weeks at N/a’an ku sê then one week at Neuras and another week at either Mangetti or Kanaan.

My Constructive Feedback

I hesitate to write anything negative because I truly support the owners and their mission. I also adored the coordinators. They are wonderful, smart, fun, dedicated people. I don’t want anything I write to detract from this.

The Food

I heard grumblings about the food but overall I think they do a remarkable job. They provide meals for vegetarians, vegans, lactose-free and gluten-free as well as “regular” meals. I don’t know how they manage this. It was confusing at times since the food wasn’t always clearly labeled. We had to be careful to only take the meal we requested or else some people were left with nothing. I think some streamlining of this system would help avoid hangry human to human conflict. Somedays the food was just edible and some days it was delicious.

The Housing

I didn’t expect the Four Seasons, so that’s not the issue. I knew lodging would be modest.  There are two places to “live” at Naankuse, The Bush Camp and The Farm. The Farm is where the activities and animals are so it is more convenient to be here. Bush Camp, however, is nicer, and is where the staff live. They reportedly have better food as well. The “tents” at Bush Camp are more like cabins with airy en-suite bathrooms and doors that lock. At the Farm, there is a dorm and there are tents.

I ended up in one of the older tents. These are permanent tents raised on a wooden platform with beds so it isn’t sleeping on the ground, thankfully. The bathroom is outside and shared with one other tent.  I admit I was terrified at first, walking to the bathroom in the middle of the night but I got used to it. There is no electricity. Flashlights are a necessity. My tent was especially small. Other tents were actually 2 tents connected so that there was a bedroom area and a shelving and luggage area. I had half the amount of space of most tents. Thankfully, I was never given a roommate so that helped with the space issue. The tent I shared a bathroom with was only occupied part of the time so I essentially had my own bathroom.

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I make this tent look good…

How it SHOULD work

I suggest that when somebody signs up, they are given the list of available housing options with various prices. They should be priced accordingly to level of desirability. This is not how they do it. Everyone pays the same price and some people get better housing than others. This is not how lodging anywhere in the rest of the world works and it provokes resentment. Those willing to pay more should get better housing. Those who want to budget should get budget housing. I think instituting a common sense system like that would take away much or the ire felt by those who saw others in much better lodging situations.

The Volunteers

This is a place that favors the young and that is not meant to be derogatory. Young people have gap years, aren’t settled in life and therefore have more time to do things like live at a wildlife sanctuary for months. And yes, I’m super jealous!!!  The average age here was between 18 and 22 hailing mostly from Denmark, Germany and The Netherlands with a handful of English and Aussies.  There were a few people in their late twenties, fewer in their 30’s, even fewer 40’s and a handful of brave seniors.

This makes for a sort of “summer camp-like” experience.  I love young people and formed many friendships with people 20 or more years my junior and I had a blast. You have to be young at heart to come here in the first place and the “older” folks I met were all legends. Everyone got along really well, despite age differences. Karaoke night was actually a blast once you had enough alcohol.

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Seriously loved all these people!

What Would Make Me Hesitate To Return?

There were a few “toxic” volunteers that were looking for jobs there. I would not wish to volunteer there again with those kinds of people working there. The employees there this past spring when I volunteered, were all wonderful and I can’t say enough food things about them. I hope things stay that way!

Commitment to Conservation

I was very impressed by the commitment to conservation and nature. Animals are not exploited. Nothing here is wasted.  The bathrooms are solar powered. The water from bathrooms is recycled into sprinkler system (do NOT walk under these).  The leftover human food is recycled into animal food. The leftover animal food is left at the outskirts of the farm for the jackal or porcupine or whatever creature wants it. All glass, paper and plastic is recycled. Purified water is provided in a huge tank where everyone can fill their reusable bottles.

Overall a Rewarding Experience

Overall my experience was fun and rewarding, despite the frustrations.  It’s not for everyone and it may be not what you are expecting. You will not always be cuddling animals. It is sometimes hard work with a schedule involving early mornings. Your lodging is spartan but comfortable enough. The food is not what you want all the time. If you can deal with this, you will have an unforgettable experience.

Volunteering at Naankuse Wildlife Sanctuary

You will learn more than you can imagine about various animals, ecology, human-wildlife conflict and the world of conservation. You will leave with a greater appreciation for the people who work in this industry and the unique major challenges they face. I don’t doubt that the money we spent to stay here is well spent. Not to mention, you will make new friends, have hilarious and heartwarming experiences with various animals and see some of the most stunning sunsets in the world. The understated magnificent beauty of Namibia is reason enough to go!

What to Bring

  • Noise Cancelling Headphones.  The sounds of nature can be a little scary at times. It is difficult to get used the sound of a lion roaring at 6am. Even from far away, it sounds like it is next door. The wild baboon screams aren’t comforting either. On karaoke night you may want these too! LOL.
  • Power Bank for phone, computer or ipad. There is no electricity in tents and you can only charge your devices in the Lapa (the hang out/eating area).  In Africa power is not a sure thing so there were times the electricity didn’t work.  
  • Solar Charger
  • Torch with batteries.  You will use the hell out of this. The kind that goes on your head the most useful in my opinion.
  • Old clothing including long shorts. Short shorts are not permitted although “some” people got away with breaking the rules.
  • Fleece or jumper and sweatpants. It can get chilly in the evenings and I regretted not having something warm and cozy.
  • Rain Parka.  The rainy season is Jan to April. There will be rain!
  • Waterproof boots. You are often trudging in mud or wet ground and duck boots are ideal.
  • Sun Hat  The sun is no joke!
  • Entertainment    Bring books, your Kindle and a deck of cards. Also bring your own laptop or tablet with movies downloaded.  Cards Against Humanity was very popular.
  • Hot Chocolate   They have coffee and tea but no hot chocolate which many of us craved on chilly nights.
  • Snacks    Bring your own snacks because the bar has limited options and they are not cheap there.
  • CASH!   You can’t use credit card to buy alcohol or snacks and the cash machine often doesn’t work so come prepared with local currency. You can easily get this at the airport. 
  • Swimsuit so that Milo isn’t the only one enjoying the pool!
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Milo the Goat chilling by the pool

Have you volunteered with wildlife before? I want to hear about it. Also, feel free to contact me for any questions about Naankuse.

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About The Author

Cherene Saradar

Cherene is a travel expert with 30 years of experience in over 100 countries and 7 continents. She has traveled solo to over 50 countries. She is also a nurse anesthesiologist with over 20 years of healthcare experience. Her passions include wildlife travel and visiting wine regions of the world.

16 COMMENTS

  1. Brian Paul | 14th Jul 23

    One of the most insightful reviews that I have ever read. Cheers.

    • Cherene Saradar | 19th Jul 23

      Thanks so much. Are you planning to go?

  2. Daphne Morgan | 20th Mar 23

    I’m trying to nail down specifically what vaccinations are needed but websites are a little confusing. Is bottled water available or did you drink tap water? Is malaria a feature in that speciifc locale? Would you advise having the rabies jab? I’m not anti-vax but don’t want to have more than needed. Thanks in advance.

    • csaradar | 4th Apr 23

      They had filtered water available so bring a reusable bottle. They may provide one…I forget. I don’t believe Malaria is a problem there but if you plan to travel to northern Namibia it could be. I didn’t get the rabies jab but it probably isn’t a bad idea. Some insurance covers it. It is expensive in the US and I think it is a series of 2 shots so you need to allow enough time. I think traveling anywhere in the global south, getting Hep A and Typhoid a good idea.

  3. george palladino | 3rd Dec 21

    Since you were hesitant to share any unfavorable comments on Naankuse or namib wildlife sanctuary would you do so privately as i am going to spend 3 months in one of them. I am 62 and have worked raising birds of prey and wolves here in the states but it was a lifetime ago[40yrs].I still out work my employees in my roofing business so with the state of the youth im pretty certain i’ll excel with the workload. My question is are they both authentic or selling the “hype”.Im running out of time to make a difference so wasting it is not appealing! Your writing flows nicely and i share your passion for wildlife.My partner and best friend of the last 13yrs has died unexpectedly freeing me up to re-write my life while honoring her memory. She was a 3legged bullbrador [pitbull and labrador] that i wouldnt dream of leaving except for the orphans and school i operated in Kitala Uganda. If you like stories of heart put into action check it out on UTube as Joans Home orphanage.Sadly the adults robbed me put i now work only for charity and put a kid into business every month to even things out haha. I apologize for being long winded. I know this because at a blistering 6 words per minute ive been typing for half an hour haha,peace.

    • csaradar | 12th Dec 21

      I will be frank with you right here because I think any criticism of the place should be out in the open. Overall I really liked it here and liked the mission. I love that they are trying not to promote “selfies with animals” and instead force us to learn about the harsh realities of wildlife conservation and how much hard work is involved. It wasn’t always super fun but I was ok with that. The problem is that the vast majority of guests are babies. Teenagers on gap years, etc. So there is an immaturity factor that could be obnoxious. I also thought that certain guests (the ones who were there a long time and got to know the staff) were given special treatment and allowed to bend the rules. For example we were not supposed to take photos of ourselves with the cheetahs nor touch them but I see the girlfriend of one of the staff has a profile photo on Facebook of herself cuddling a cheetah. There are many examples like this. The place needs to “grow up” a bit. But again, I think they are trying to do good work there for animals, for the local indigenous people and for the environment. I hope this helps! I am happy to answer more specific questions.

  4. Stacey | 17th Feb 19

    We related to you so much here as we also studied biology and ethology 🙂 We also quickly realized that there was absolutely no money to be made in being an ethologist (as in there were literally no jobs lol). So now we are safari guides in Namibia.
    We travel all around the country and we always here talk of Na’ankuse but we still haven’t been ourselves. Yet we live in windhoek so it is only down the road lol.
    After reading this we are making plans to go and visit!

    • csaradar | 17th Feb 19

      So nice to read your comment! Namibia is so wonderful and you are lucky to work there! I would love to hear of your experience at Na’ankuse if you go!

  5. Siouxsie Ryan | 27th Dec 18

    Hello! Thanks so much for such a detailed and thorough post. I’m off to Namibia Wildlife sanctuary Jan 7th and as a 31-year-old I’m a tiny bit apprehensive about the experience. Do they try and keep age groups in similar accomm and groups for activities or are you all thrown in with other age groups? Also I’m keen to know about the internet situation – I can see you were able to Instagram Story, but did you have to save up your clips for afterwards? Or was a Namibian SIM card OK for data coverage? Thanks SO much <3

    • csaradar | 2nd Jan 19

      I think I answered your question on Instagram but feel free to contact me with more questions. 31 is so young!!

  6. everywhereforward | 17th Nov 18

    This is such an interesting topic! So many people travel to visit wildlife sanctuaries, so it’s not very common for people to consider volunteering at one! I think it’s a great idea and awesome way to learn more about how organizations work to conserve precious species! Great read, thank you!

    • csaradar | 19th Nov 18

      It was a unique and amazing experience and I would totally do it again!

  7. nickymacke | 17th Nov 18

    Wow! What an amazing experience that must have been. Namibia has been on my list for what seems like an age, but I’m definitely going to see if this is a possibility. I love seeing the spotlight on responsible travel, what a fab article!

    • csaradar | 19th Nov 18

      Namibia is one of my favorite countries. After the volunteering I did a 10 day tour…I have posts about it:)

  8. Debbie Hilburn | 14th Nov 18

    I’ve enjoyed all your travel trips and tips. It’s very fascinating and beautiful photos. Hard to say what is more beautiful. Glad you are having such a great time and fulfilling your dreams.

    • csaradar | 16th Nov 18

      So sweet of you! Thank you!!

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